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Recommendations for Grading

Recommendations for Grading

Reader ISAAC in BURLINGTON writes:

“Do you have any instructions or recommendations on the grading side of things before i buy a post in ground house kit on how much of a pad to build up and how far away from house to slope it to keep water away and post rot?”

Ideally a prepared site will be 10 feet beyond building footprint in all directions. From highest point, ten feet away from building, grade should slope up to actual “pad” no less than six inches.

To allow proper drainage plan to keep building grade higher than surrounding site. On an ideal site, water drains naturally away from building. Since few sites are ideal, in most cases, grade work will be required to keep surface water away from building. Keeping finished building floor higher than surrounding site reduces flooding chances during heavy rainfall or rapid snowmelt.

In flood plains, consult first with your building department to determine their requirements. Typical recommendation is to establish grade level at finished floor top higher than flood level. This may require importing fill to raise grade. A surveyor can be hired to expertly determine these heights. In some cases, code approved flood vents may be installed, below flood level, to equalize interior and exterior pressures.

Many sites can be graded with a skid steer or backhoe. Some cases will require heavy equipment to properly grade site to allow water to drain away from building. If engaging a professional for site grading, make certain finished grade was adequately prepared before making final payment. In far too many cases supposedly “flat” sites being out of level have been experienced by disappointed owners.

At a minimum, site preparation includes:

Remove all sod and vegetation.

For ideal site preparation, remove topsoil and stockpile for later use in finish grading. In frost prone areas, remove any clay or silty soil from within future building “footprint”.

Replace subsoil removed from around building with granulated fill to help drain subsurface water from building.

Distribute all fill, large debris free (no pit run), uniformly around site in layers no deeper than six inches. Compact each layer to a minimum 90% Modified Proctor Density before adding next layer. It is recommended to invest in a Geotechnical (soils) Engineer to test to confirm correct compaction. Adequate compaction takes more than driving over fill with a dump truck, or earth moving equipment. Properly compacted fill can be treated as if it was undisturbed native soil.

If building on expansive soils (such as clay) it is recommended to increase hole depth to at least six (6) times hole diameter (ex. 9’ deep for 18” hole, 12’ deep for 24” hole). Added hole depth should be back-filled with concrete.

When any building portion sits on non-compacted fill, rest columns, as well as any concrete encasement, on or in undisturbed soil. In many cases, building inspectors will require a Geotechnical Engineer to confirm compaction adequacy on filled sites. Geotechnical Engineers can be expensive, but are even more costly when called in to do analysis “after the fact”. Your building’s E.O.R. is, as a practicality matter, unable to visit sites; therefore will be unable to perform or provide any soils or other similar reports, design retaining walls or any other work beyond building shell.

Soil compaction is defined as a method of mechanically increasing soil density. In construction, this is a significant part of your building process. If performed improperly, soil settlement could occur and result in unnecessary maintenance costs or structure failure. Almost all building site types and construction projects utilize mechanical compaction techniques.

So what actually is soil? Soil is formed in place or deposited by various natural forces – such as glaciers, wind, lakes and rivers – residual or organically. Important elements in soil compaction are soil type, soil moisture content and compaction effort required.

There are five principle reasons to compact soil: to increase load-bearing capacity, prevent soil settlement and frost damage, provide stability, reduce water seepage, swelling and contraction and reduce soil settling.

Soil can be compacted by vibration, impact, kneading or pressure. These different compaction efforts can be accomplished by main types of compaction force, static or vibratory.

Static force is simply machine dead weight, applying downward force on soil surface, compressing soil particles. Only way to change effective compaction force is by adding or subtracting machine weight. Static compaction is confined to upper soil layers and is limited to any appreciable depth. Kneading and pressure are two static compaction examples.

Vibratory force uses a mechanism, usually engine-driven, to create a downward force in addition to machine’s static weight. This vibrating mechanism is usually a rotating eccentric weight or piston/spring combination (in rammers). These compactors deliver a rapid sequence of blows (impacts) to soil surface, thereby affecting top layers as well as deeper layers. Vibration moves through material, setting particles in motion and moving them closer together for highest density possible. Based on materials being compacted, a certain force must be used to overcome cohesive nature of particular particles.

Poor, improper or no compaction can result in concrete slab cracks or frost heaves, foundation erosion and/or building settling. Proper compaction can ensure a longer structural life.

Every soil type behaves differently with respect to maximum density and optimum moisture. Therefore, each soil type has its own unique requirements and controls both in field and for testing purposes. Soil types are commonly classified by grain size, determined by passing soil through a series of sieves to screen or separate different grain sizes. Soils found in nature are almost always a combination of soil types. A well-graded soil consists of a wide range of particle sizes with smaller particles filling voids between larger particles. Result is a dense structure lending itself well to compaction. A soil’s makeup determines best compaction method to use. There are three basic soil groups: cohesive, granular and organic. Organic soils are not suitable for compaction.

Cohesive soils, such as clay or silts have smallest particles. Cohesive soils are dense and tightly bound together by molecular attraction. They are plastic when wet and can be molded, but become very hard when dry. Cohesive soils feel smooth and greasy when rubbed between fingers. Clay soils are less than ideal to construct your new post frame building upon and should be removed and replaced.

Granular soils range in particle size from .003″ to .08″ (sand) and .08″ to 1.0″ (fine to medium gravel). Granular soils are known for their water-draining properties. Sand and gravel obtain maximum density in either a fully dry or saturated state. Granular soils feel gritty when rubbed between fingers. When water and granular soils are shaken in palm of your hand, they will mix, when shaking stops, they will separate. When dry, a soil sample will crumble.

Gravel and sand can be compacted either by vibration (using a vibrating plate compactor, vibrating roller or vibrating sheepsfoot) or kneading with pressure (using a scraper, rubber tired roller, loader or grid roller). Both are good to excellent in terms of foundation support and as a subgrade. They are easy to compact and are not expansive (expansive soils tend to be prone to frost heave issues).

Response of soil to moisture is very important, as soil must carry loads year-round. Rain, for example, may transform soil into a plastic state or even into a liquid. In this state, soil has very little or no load-bearing ability.

Soil moisture content is vital to proper compaction. Moisture acts as a lubricant within soil, sliding particles together. Too little moisture means inadequate compaction – particles cannot move past each other to achieve density. Too much moisture leaves water-filled voids and subsequently weakens load-bearing ability. Highest density for most soils is at a certain water content for a given compaction effort. Drier soil is more resistant to compaction. In a water-saturated state voids between particles are partially filled with water, creating an apparent cohesion binding them together. This cohesion increases as particle size decreases (as in clay-type soils).

To determine if proper soil compaction is achieved for any specific construction application, several methods were developed. Most prominent by far is soil density.

Soil testing accomplishes the following: measures density of soil for comparing degree of compaction vs. specifications for structure to be built; measures effect of moisture on soil density vs. specifications; and provides a moisture density curve identifying optimum moisture content.

Tests to determine optimum soil moisture content are done in a laboratory. Most common is a Proctor Test, or Modified Proctor Test. A particular soil needs to have an ideal (or optimum) amount of moisture to achieve maximum density. This is important not only for durability, but will save money because less compaction effort is needed to achieve desired results.

A quick method of determining moisture is known as a “Hand Test”.

Pick up a handful of soil. Squeeze it in your hand. Open your hand. If soil is powdery and will not retain shape made by your hand, it is too dry. If it shatters when dropped, it is too dry. If soil is moldable and breaks into only a couple of pieces when dropped, it has right amount of moisture for proper compaction. If soil is plastic in your hand, leaves traces of moisture on your fingers and stays in one piece when dropped, it has too much moisture for compaction.

Proctor, or Modified Proctor Test, determines maximum density of a soil needed for a specific job site. This test first determines maximum density achievable for materials and uses this figure as a reference. Secondly, it tests effects of moisture on soil density. This soil reference value is expressed as a percentage of density. These values are determined before any compaction takes place to develop compaction specifications. Modified Proctor values are higher because they take into account higher densities needed for certain types of construction projects. Test methods are similar for both tests.

When hired, a soils engineer will probably perform either a sand cone or a nuclear density test. In sand cone, a small hole (6″ x 6″ deep) is dug in compacted material to be tested. Soil is removed and weighed, then dried and weighed again to determine its moisture content. A soil’s moisture is figured as a percentage. Hole’s specific volume is determined by filling it with calibrated dry sand from a jar and cone device. Dry weight of soil removed is divided by volume of sand needed to fill hole. This gives us density of compacted soil in pounds per cubic foot. This density is compared to maximum Proctor density obtained earlier, giving us relative density of just compacted soil.

Nuclear Density meters are a quick and fairly accurate way of determining density and moisture content. Meter uses a radioactive isotope source (Cesium 137) at soil surface (backscatter) or from a probe placed into soil (direct transmission). Isotope source gives off photons (usually Gamma rays) radiating back to meter’s detectors on unit bottom. Dense soil absorbs more radiation than loose soil and readings reflect overall density. Water content can also be read, all within a few minutes. A relative Proctor density with compaction results from this test.

Soil modulus or soil stiffness test is a field-test method is a very recent development replacing soil density testing. Soil stiffness is a ratio of force-to-displacement. Testing is done by a machine sending vibrations into soil and then measuring deflection of soil from vibrations. This is a very fast, safe method of testing soil stiffness. Soil stiffness is desired engineering property, not just dry density and water content.

Be certain to know local Building Department requirements before starting to move dirt.

In many jurisdictions, a separate grading permit may be required. In some cases a building permit must be issued prior to moving soil. Get started on right foot with permit authorities – ask first before digging!

Also, prior to doing any excavation call 811. This is a free service to mark underground utilities. Property owners and contractors can be held financially liable if they fail to locate underground utilities (like gas, electric, telephone, cable, water) and damage them in any way (besides a potential for causing severe injury or death).

Grade and compact actual building “footprint” area as level as reasonably possible prior to beginning construction.

Create an adequate work area. At a minimum clear at least ten feet beyond each building side. Building Codes (IRC R401.3 and IBC 1804.4) require non-impervious areas beyond building perimeter be graded away from building with a minimum 5% slope to drain surface water away in all directions. A 5% slope is a 6 inch drop in 10 feet.

Post Footing and Site Leveling

Post Footing and Site Leveling

Reader KEVIN in PAOLA writes:

“I’ve been working with Cory on my building design and had a question regarding leveling my site and setting my posts. The plan is a 40′ x 60′ building with a 17′ eave height. On the south side, there will be a 12′ attached shed that is open. Based on the elevations I’ve shot, I’ll have to add approximately 4′ of fill on the east end of the building and it gradually tapers all the way to the west end. Now, rock on the property is rather shallow. I dug a test hole on the east end which will require the most fill and the rock is about 2′ below native ground level. I’ve encountered solid limestone that is approximately 2′ thick when digging corner posts and I’ve found locations where the rock is fractured and can be dug out with an excavator. The county requires poles be installed at a minimum depth of 4′, but will allow 30″-40″ if due to rock and if the holes are backfilled with concrete.

· How would you design the foundation for the poles?
· Does the 4′ of backfill count when measuring post embedment?
· Would you set the posts first and then add the fill?
· Do you change post foundation design as you move from the deeper fill for elevation on the east end to fill on the west end that is replacing the top soil?
· Does the post foundation design change for the open shed on the south side?

I’m attaching the design doc from the county. Foundation information is listed on pages 8 and 9.

I hope all of this makes sense and thank you for the help.”

Thank you for reaching out to me. With your permission, I would like to treat your building as if it was my own (in other words, What Would the Pole Barn Guru Do?).

Project# 05-0211Starting with your door end (which I will assume is uphill), I would add enough fill so this end could have holes dug to 40″, filling balance of site accordingly. All fill should be compacted in no less than six-inch lifts to a minimum of 90% of Modified Proctor Density (you may need to invest in a Geotechnical Engineer to verify compaction).

Foundation would be embedded columns to 40″ depth and would be same for all areas (our engineers will seal holes at 40″ depth) Properly compacted fill can be relied upon to be equal to undisturbed soil Fill first – it is so much easier than trying to work around columns.

On door end, you will want to grade away from doors, so water coming down hill does not end up running into your building.

Uneven Ground, Granting Wishes, and Recommendations

This Wednesday the Pole Barn Guru discusses foundation for a uneven ground with 4-5′ “fall” in the back, granting three wishes, and recommendations for building/footing/slab.

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Hey thank you for time. I am wanting to build a 50×100′ shop. I have uneven ground and about a 4-5′ fall in the back. What is the best foundation for a post frame building for that situation. Any help would be greatly appreciated! ANDREW in APPLING

DEAR ANDREW: I would go with an ecology block (read more here https://www.hansenpolebuildings.com/2015/04/ecology-blocks/) retaining wall several feet beyond my building footprint. Then backfill with suitable fill compacted in no less than six inch lifts. This would allow for construction on a flat level site with embedded columns.

 

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Please grant me 3 wishes o guru, you are better than a genie!!! Do you have a crew put the building together? Do they put the grounding strap on the ground and on the building? Do you have pictures of the workshops? KEITH in PORT CHARLOTTE

DEAR KEITH: Thank you for making me smile! I will answer as many questions as you need answers for.

We are not building contractors. Currently (and for the foreseeable future) there is a nationwide shortage of building erectors. Many high quality erectors are booked out into 2023. We would strongly encourage you to consider erecting your own building shell.

For those without the time or inclination, we have an extensive independent Builder Network covering the contiguous 48 states (https://www.hansenpolebuildings.com/find-a-builder/). We can assist you in getting erection labor pricing as well as introducing you to potential builders.

A CAUTION in regards to ANY erector: If an erector tells you they can begin quickly it is generally either a big red flag, or there is a chance you are being price gouged. ALWAYS THOROUGHLY VET ANY CONTRACTOR https://www.hansenpolebuildings.com/2018/04/vetting-building-contractor/
Your electrician will (should) properly ground your building.

Please click on any of these photos at https://www.hansenpolebuildings.com/gallery/ to open gallery to more photos in same categories.

 

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: If I’m a belt and suspenders overkill kinda guy, what’s your recommendation on a pole barn construction/footings/slab. I would like to use steel instead of 4×4 posts if that isn’t a bad idea. JOHN in LITTLE ROCK

DEAR JOHN: 4×4 posts would not be adequate for even a very small post frame building. I would avoid steel due to its unforgiving nature (everything has to be spot on), challenges of thermal conductivity and connections between structural steel and wood. My preference (in my ideal dream world) would be glulaminated columns, embedded in ground, with a mono-poured concrete footing/bottom collar. This would provide greatest strength and reliability at an affordable price point.

Site Slope, Gable End Exhaust Fans, and Setting Trusses

Today’s Ask the Guru blog answers reader questions about building on a slope, a recommendation for gable end exhaust fans, and setting trusses into columns.

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: I always see pole barns being built on level ground. is there any reason my concrete slab, perimeter board, and exterior grade can’t slope 1/4″ per foot from the back to the front of my pole barn garage? I realize the bottom of my metal siding would probably have to be cut at an angle to match the slope. DAVID in WESTFIELD

DEAR DAVID: Could and should are two different animals.

Everything is going to be far easier working from a level site, where grade can be sloped away from building at 5% or greater (a 5% slope is six inches in 10 feet). You don’t want to have water from any direction running towards your building.

International Residential Code (2021 IRC) Section R309.1 and International Building Code (2021 IBC) Section 406.2.4 address concrete floor slope: “The area of floor used for parking automobiles or other vehicles shall be sloped to facilitate the movement of liquids to a drain or toward the main vehicle entry doorway.” Floor slope by IBC only applies to “U” occupancy buildings of 1000 square feet or less. Actual slope requirement is unspecified however a generally accepted minimum is 1/8” per foot. Grade inside of building should be gradually built up to create this slope.

As far as cutting bottom edge of your steel siding to follow a slope, cutting each panel to precisely follow slope would be a difficult, if not impossible task. This also would leave a raw field cut edge in close proximity to ground and it will rust.

 

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: I have a 30×48 pole barn. 13′ at eaves/overhang and 19′ center height because of scissor truss. No windows. One man door and one garage door. It has closed cell insulation. Brown roof. Used for trailer/camper storage. Not a lot of work going on in this building. It stays a little cooler than the outside temperature but is humid with musty smell due to no ventilation. I would like to install a gable end louvered exhaust fan but everywhere i search i come up with different answers. I don’t need fast air movement, just replacement. i would like to know what size fan and air intakes are required to do this. Some of this information may be irrelevant but it was asked for among other inquiries. Thanks for your time and help. WILL in WINFIELD

DEAR WILL: You should plan upon three to six air exchanges per hour. With 23,040 cubic feet of interior space, you need 1152 to 2304 cubic feet per minute (cfm) as an exhaust. A professional HVAC provider can confirm amount of air intakes required, as well as set you up with an appropriately sized exhaust fan.

 

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: I have a question on installing trusses on a 16×40 pole barn. The bottom of all poles are square and measure what they should on the print. Knowing that the 6×6 poles are probably not straight, is there a trick to making sure that I install the trusses straight and square at the top? Always want to double check before Ii start lifting these 14 feet in the air. Thank you for any help. BOB in MOORCRAFT

DEAR BOB: This is one reason I like to build with my trusses directly attached to columns (using notches cut into columns to provide full bearing). After verifying trusses are exactly 16′ in length, trusses can be placed into notches, with outside of truss flush to outside of columns. This solves any width issues. Using recessed purlins, joist hung between trusses, purlins can be pre-cut to length of space between trusses, solving length issues. Once framing is completed, each roof plane can then be squared (read how here: https://www.hansenpolebuildings.com/2020/05/how-to-square-a-post-frame-building-roof/).

Wall Framing, a Sloped Build Site, and Engineering for Slab

Continuing the week with more Pole Barn Guru, Mike discusses spacing of framing for wall steel, how to prepare a sloped build site, and if Hansen can provide engineering for slab on grade in Colorado.

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: If you have 2×6’s for walls in pole building that are spaced 16 inches apart, and want to put metal siding up, would I use like a wood girts every 2 feet apart in order to hang the metal siding up and down? JOSEPH

DEAR JOSEPH: I will read between lines and guess you have built stud walls between building columns. If this is your situation then you will need to have horizontal girts added in order to attach wall steel vertically. You should refer to your engineered building plans for size, spacing and attachment of these girts, as your engineer is most likely counting on your steel skin to provide needed wall diaphragm strength.

 

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: The area I want to put a pole barn has a severe slope of 6′ from one end to the other. Should I excavate this ground to make it level or build a masonry wall on low end to bring level? If I excavate I’m concerned about moisture getting into building from the high end. If I build a wall, I’m concerned about the pressure on the wall that could eventually fail or the back fill settling under the concrete floor causing cracks. Thanks so much for your help. DAN in EDDYVILLE

DEAR DAN: Well you have lots of possibilities. Given what you have provided, I would be inclined to cut roughly four feet from your high side (making your cut back another eight to 10 feet from your building) and then fill on low side, with a retaining wall eight to 10 feet beyond your building. This way you can slope grade away from building in both directions. Walls will be far enough away from building to not affect it. If you have clay in your soil, make sure to remove at least top 18-24 inches where building will be located and replace it with good, properly compacted fill.

 

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Does your company handle all the engineering required for an interior monolithic slab? We are very interested in a pole barn home (about 1300 SQ ft) but are running into a lot of issues with the interior slab. We will be building in Fremont County, CO at 9400’ elevation. Frost heave is a huge concern. JEFF in FREMONT County

DEAR JEFF: We would need to have an engineered soil’s report as well as to know your intentions for heating (always heated or not always heated). With this information we would provide engineering for your slab on grade.