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Ceiling Insulation, Wiring for Bookshelf Girts, and Setting Trusses

This Wednesday readers “Ask the Guru” how to insulate a post frame ceiling that already has bubble wrap, how to wire for bookshelf girts, and how to set trusses where a crane is not an option.

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Best and easiest way to insulate the sloped ceiling in my pole building? it already has a single bubble wrap. see attached picture. I appreciate any help you can give thank you. BRIAN in LEXINGTON

DEAR BRIAN: Rip out single bubble wrap between purlins and roof steel. Have closed cell spray foam applied directly to underside of roof steel. Those 2×4 roof purlins will allow for 3-1/2 inches, totally filling cavity. This will give you roughly R-24. You could then apply a light-weight flexible finish material to underside of purlins (something like steel liner panels). You may find it necessary to mechanically dehumidify building to prevent excess relative humidity.

Your building’s roof system is also missing some things. Roof purlins should be connected to truss top chords with joist hangers. Required 2×4 bottom chord bracing is also not present. There should be 2×4 no greater than 10 foot on center, running from endwall to endwall. This prevents out-of-plane buckling. Easiest application would be to use Simpson SDWS16300 screws to attach alongside endwall columns – then use joist hangers to attach to truss bottom Chords.

 

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Post frame building with bookshelf girts. Siding attached to bookshelf girt and posts. Want to attach drywall to other side of post. How do I run wiring? I guess drill. How large of a hole can I drill through the support posts. Any other options? Thanks JOHN in POULSBO

DEAR JOHN: Very little drilling, if any, will be needed for holes in order to run electrical wires. Wall framing (girts) extend or are placed so as to leave a 1-1/2 inch space between outside of wall columns and siding.

Think of a hole being drilled through as being an “open knot”. Lumber grading rules refer to these as being “Unsound or Loose Knots and Holes” due to any cause.

For #2 graded lumber holes may be no less than every two feet and up to 5/8” diameter in a 2” nominal face; 7/8” in a 3” nominal face; 1-1/4” for 4”; 1-1/2” for 6”; 2” for 8” and 2-12” for 10”.

For higher grades holes may be no less than every three feet and up to ½” diameter in a 2” nominal face; ¾” in a 3” nominal face; 1” for 4”; 1-1/4” for 6” and 1-1/2” for 8” and wider.

Any holes drilled through pressure preservative treated lumber or columns, especially near grade, should be treated with a Copper Naphthenate solution. Copper Naphthenate is available as a brush-on or spray-on.

 

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Hello,

We are trying to identify our options for setting 7 trusses in a space inaccessible for a crane or equipment that could use a hoist of any sort.

We’d like to estimate the weight of each truss while we wait on quotes.

The span is 16′ + 1′ overhang each side, 6/12 pitch, designed for 4′ centers spacing and carry total load (including our snow load) of 90 lbs.

We hoped to prop up 1 end on the top girder, or beam, then carry up the other end on a ladder to the beam on that end. Then hope to “flip” or rotate the apex upright with a 2×4.

Is there an easier way, given only about 4 people to do this & only 1 of the 4 is a brute?!

We are in Upper Peninsula of Michigan, snow load requirements of 90lbs.

Steel roofing, no ceiling ever- just a tractor barn/wood shed.

Thank you! KAREN in MICHIGAN

DEAR KAREN: They should weigh just under 90 pounds each. Your described flipping them up, should work well.

Dear Pole Barn Guru: How Much is Truss Weight??

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DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Hello, I’m an engineering student doing a research about sustainable buildings, can you tell me the approximate 20′ metal truss weight and 24′ wood truss weight?

Please I need the answer urgently. CALCULATING IN KALAMAZOO

 

DEAR CALCULATING: Nice to have engineering students reading this column!

Having been given no parameters for load carrying capacity, truss spacing or roof slope, leaves me just winging out an answer.

For wood trusses with a total load of around 180 pounds per lineal foot (30 pounds per square foot spaced one at six foot or two at 12 feet), a single 24 foot span 4/12 slope truss weight should be about 125 pounds.

I’ve never dealt with steel trusses, however I was able to find several formulas, as well as a table for calculating the steel truss weight, W being weight per horizontal square foot, S = span in feet, P = capacity of truss in pounds per horizontal square foot, and A the distance center to center of trusses in feet:

Charles Evan Fowler, P. E., for Fink trusses:

W = .06S + .6 for heavy loads; W= .04S + .4 for light loads.

H. G. Tyrrell, P. E.:

W = .05S+ distance center to center.

C. W. Bryan, P. E.:

W = .04S + 4.

M. S. Ketchum. P. E.:

+ For scissors trusses increase one-third.

Weight Per Square Foot Of Roof Surface For Steel Trusses

6/12 Slope 4/12 Slope 3/12 Slope
Up to 40 ft. 5.25 6.3 6.8 7.6
50 ft. 5.75 6.6 7.2 8.0
60 ft. 6.75 8.0 8.6 9.6
70 ft. 7.25 8.5 9.2 10.2
80 ft. 7.75 9.0 9.7 10.8
100 ft. 8.5 10.0 10.8 12.0
120 ft. 9.5 11.0 12.0 13.2
140 ft. 10.0 11.6 12.6 14.0

As you can see – lots of opinions on the steel truss (as are probably huge variants in their configuration).

DEAR POLE BARN GURU:We’ve just had a 40’x60′ steel pole barn constructed (in the woods) for storing classic cars. We had the builder install and frame fiberglass insulation in. We’re installing OSB wall panels ourselves. Wondering if we should cover the fiberglass with ‘Visqueen’ for vapor barrier or would we be better served by installing foil faced OSB panels?

Thanks CONCERNED IN KOKOMO

DEAR CONCERNED: Most often fiberglass batt insulation which is used in walls has a paper (or “kraft”) facing on the inside, which when properly installed serves as the vapor barrier. If unfaced batts were used, then a clear plastic vapor barrier should be installed on the inside face. Foil faced OSB panels are designed to be placed below roofing to assist in keeping attics cooler in warm climates, it is not designed to be or replace vapor barriers in walls.