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Ceiling Insulation, Wiring for Bookshelf Girts, and Setting Trusses

This Wednesday readers “Ask the Guru” how to insulate a post frame ceiling that already has bubble wrap, how to wire for bookshelf girts, and how to set trusses where a crane is not an option.

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Best and easiest way to insulate the sloped ceiling in my pole building? it already has a single bubble wrap. see attached picture. I appreciate any help you can give thank you. BRIAN in LEXINGTON

DEAR BRIAN: Rip out single bubble wrap between purlins and roof steel. Have closed cell spray foam applied directly to underside of roof steel. Those 2×4 roof purlins will allow for 3-1/2 inches, totally filling cavity. This will give you roughly R-24. You could then apply a light-weight flexible finish material to underside of purlins (something like steel liner panels). You may find it necessary to mechanically dehumidify building to prevent excess relative humidity.

Your building’s roof system is also missing some things. Roof purlins should be connected to truss top chords with joist hangers. Required 2×4 bottom chord bracing is also not present. There should be 2×4 no greater than 10 foot on center, running from endwall to endwall. This prevents out-of-plane buckling. Easiest application would be to use Simpson SDWS16300 screws to attach alongside endwall columns – then use joist hangers to attach to truss bottom Chords.

 

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Post frame building with bookshelf girts. Siding attached to bookshelf girt and posts. Want to attach drywall to other side of post. How do I run wiring? I guess drill. How large of a hole can I drill through the support posts. Any other options? Thanks JOHN in POULSBO

DEAR JOHN: Very little drilling, if any, will be needed for holes in order to run electrical wires. Wall framing (girts) extend or are placed so as to leave a 1-1/2 inch space between outside of wall columns and siding.

Think of a hole being drilled through as being an “open knot”. Lumber grading rules refer to these as being “Unsound or Loose Knots and Holes” due to any cause.

For #2 graded lumber holes may be no less than every two feet and up to 5/8” diameter in a 2” nominal face; 7/8” in a 3” nominal face; 1-1/4” for 4”; 1-1/2” for 6”; 2” for 8” and 2-12” for 10”.

For higher grades holes may be no less than every three feet and up to ½” diameter in a 2” nominal face; ¾” in a 3” nominal face; 1” for 4”; 1-1/4” for 6” and 1-1/2” for 8” and wider.

Any holes drilled through pressure preservative treated lumber or columns, especially near grade, should be treated with a Copper Naphthenate solution. Copper Naphthenate is available as a brush-on or spray-on.

 

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Hello,

We are trying to identify our options for setting 7 trusses in a space inaccessible for a crane or equipment that could use a hoist of any sort.

We’d like to estimate the weight of each truss while we wait on quotes.

The span is 16′ + 1′ overhang each side, 6/12 pitch, designed for 4′ centers spacing and carry total load (including our snow load) of 90 lbs.

We hoped to prop up 1 end on the top girder, or beam, then carry up the other end on a ladder to the beam on that end. Then hope to “flip” or rotate the apex upright with a 2×4.

Is there an easier way, given only about 4 people to do this & only 1 of the 4 is a brute?!

We are in Upper Peninsula of Michigan, snow load requirements of 90lbs.

Steel roofing, no ceiling ever- just a tractor barn/wood shed.

Thank you! KAREN in MICHIGAN

DEAR KAREN: They should weigh just under 90 pounds each. Your described flipping them up, should work well.

Drill Through Poles, Basements in Post Frame, and Building Space

This week readers “Ask the Guru” about whether or not it is ok to drill thru poles to run wiring, the ability to build a post frame structure over a basement with a poured foundation, and how much space do I need for my pole building?

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: I have a post frame 36×60 building it is what has been called a book shelf design with three 2×6’s fastened together to create the poles every 4ft and 2×6’s flat horizontally to tie it together and create the bookshelf. The question I have is it ok to drill thru poles to run wiring if so , how big and how many? The shed will be insulated and cladded on the inside so i’m also looking for tips on how to hit the flats on the inside cladding tin. Would like to have outlet boxes vertical. Thanks, wiring soon. SCOTT in WISCONSIN RAPIDS

DEAR SCOTT: Very little drilling, if any, will be needed for holes in order to run electrical wires. Wall framing (girts) extend or are placed so as to leave a 1-1/2 inch space between outside of wall columns and siding.

Think of a hole being drilled through as being an “open knot”. Lumber grading rules refer to these as being “Unsound or Loose Knots and Holes” due to any cause.

For #2 graded lumber holes may be no less than every two feet and up to 5/8” diameter in a 2” nominal face; 7/8” in a 3” nominal face; 1-1/4” for 4”; 1-1/2” for 6”; 2” for 8” and 2-12” for 10”.

For other higher grades holes may be no less than every three feet and up to ½” diameter in a 2” nominal face; ¾” in a 3” nominal face; 1” for 4”; 1-1/4” for 6” and 1-1/2” for 8” and wider.

Any holes drilled through pressure preservative treated lumber or columns, especially near ground line, should be treated with a Copper Naphthenate solution. Copper Naphthenate is available as a brush-on or spray-on. Your inside steel will typically have a high rib every nine inches. Starting from where you will begin installing steel panels, if you use say four and a half inches to center of first possible outlet box, then every nine inches from there, you will always land in the flats between ribs. To hang an outlet box vertical, either attach to a column, or place a vertical block between wall girts.

 

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Can you build on a poured concrete walls for a basement? ZAC in LEIPSIC

DEAR ZAC: We have provided a plethora of fully engineered post frame buildings atop basement walls. Ideally, ICC-ESR approved wet set brackets (we provide) are placed into a poured concrete, concrete block, or ICF wall. As an alternative, we can also provide a Permanent Wood Foundation wall, incorporating glulaminated columns (this route is usually more cost effective and will be easier to insulate).

 

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: How much space do I need for my pole building. Can I build it 10 feet from another existing building? VAL in OAK HARBOR

DEAR VAL: Allowable distance between buildings will depend upon how your property is zoned and use classification of your buildings. In most jurisdictions, a residence to a garage (as an example) can be as little as five feet, without requiring added fire protection between them. If you are outside of Oak Harbor Village limits in Ottawa County, a call to your Building Department at 419.734.6767, in the Village of Oak Harbor call Zoning at 419.898.5561. Have your street address and parcel number available.