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Advice on Retro Insulating a Minnesota Pole Barn

Advice on Retro Insulating a Minnesota Pole Barn

Reader RYAN in ELK RIVER writes:

“Happy Thanksgiving! I am working on insulating a pole barn that is on a property I bought. I framed between trusses with 2×6 and plywood on top. I plan to have 3″ of foam blown in. Is there anything I need to be aware of if that is the route I take? Also, in the walls I installed R6 foam board between the purlins, and R 19 fiberglass Batts in the wall cavity. Should I install vapor barrier? I plan on a 42″ steel wainscot around the bottom, with drywall on the rest of the wall and ceiling. 

Thanks for your input! There seems to be lots of different answers out there from the research I’ve done.”

Mike the Pole Barn Guru responds:

In Minnesota, closed cell spray foam has to be so thick to meet R value requirements, it normally makes it impractical as a design solution. If you do opt for spray foam, use closed cell (rather than open) and spray directly to the inside of steel roofing and/or siding, for best results. If you are creating a dead attic space above an OSB ceiling, closed cell spray foam can be applied to underside of OSB, however space above must be adequately ventilated (ideally with eave intake and ridge exhaust points). You also need a provision for condensation prevention on the bottom of roof steel (if one is not already present).

In walls, you want only a single vapor barrier. If your foam boards were properly sealed, then they are your vapor barrier and you should use unfaced batts to fill balance of wall insulation cavity. My preference would be rockwool, rather than fiberglass, as it is not affected by moisture.

Be aware, your building is now going to dry to inside, so be prepared to invest in mechanical dehumidification.

Cellulose for a Pole Barn Attic

Multiple options are available for insulating attics of post frame (pole barn) attics. Reader NATE in BURNHAM writes:

“Hello! I have been doing some research all evening and I can’t seem to find an answer. I did take the time to read some various forums and blogs regarding this subject to no avail…having said that, here is my question; According to the attached spec sheet for my roof trusses (4ft O.C) spanning my 52Lx28Wx10H pole building, would blown in cellulose insulation at an R38 value combined with 6ml plastic sheeting (vapor barrier) and thin gauge metal ceiling be supported? I do know from the specs that my BCDL is 5psf. Any help on this would be wonderful as I am at a stopping point in finishing my garage. Thank you!”

Mike the Pole Barn Guru advises:

I am going to hopefully change some of your plans here….

Unless your building is where there are 8000 heating degree days or more, you should not have a ceiling vapor barrier (no 6ml plastic sheeting). In Pennsylvania you are well under this requirement (Northern Minnesota would qualify). You do need to have sufficient eave intake and ridge exhaust ventilation to allow warm moist air from inside of your building to be vented out above your insulation. Your total NFVA (Net Free Ventilation Area) must be no less than 699 square inches, with at least 50% and no more than 60% located at the sidewall eaves.

Blown in cellulose weighs roughly 2.5 to 3 pcf (pounds per cubic foot). Blown in cellulose will settle as much as 20% and can take up to two years to do so. Cellulose gives R-3.5 per inch, so your R-38 would be 10.86 inches thick (after settle), so I would plan on no less than 13.5 inches blown in to achieve your R-38. To be safe, I would assume 3.4 psf (pounds per square foot). Besides settling, blown cellulose does have another downside – in order to be fire retardant it is treated with borax or boric acid. Borates can be corrosive to steel in humid or moist environments, so you may want to consider a different insulation type, such as fiberglass. Fiberglass is also lighter weight, coming in at about a pound per cubic foot.

Steel liner panels are most typically 29 gauge steel weighing in around 0.6 psf.

Your five psf BCDL (bottom chord dead load) has to also account, in part, for weight of your trusses and bottom chord bracing, as well as any electrical and light fixtures. Most often this is considered to be a pound per square foot. This is going to put your proposed use of cellulose right at capacity, without any remaining margin for error.