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Flood Rebuilding, Retrofitting Stem Wall, and Platinum Engineering

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Hi. I am an architect with a flood victim client in Houston whose 1500 sf house must be rebuilt 5′ above grade. C panel, aluminum sliding windows/doors, low budget. Is it crazy to think they could buy a custom kit from you and have a crew from MN install it in January when said crew needed a winter break ? Attached images are just place holders to show elevated frame. Thank you. STEPHANIE in SAN ANTONIO

DEAR STEPHANIE: We can certainly get the house designed and delivered for your client, however we are not building contractors. Our buildings are simple enough so the average person who can and will read instructions in English can certainly erect the structural portions of their new home – and do a better job than the majority of building contractors.

With a high degree of certainty, you (or your client) could run an ad in Craigslist and get a builder from the great white north to travel to put the building up, if the client is not so inclined.

Vinyl windows are going to be about the same price as aluminum and will be far superior in performance. Our goal is to offer the best possible value for our client’s investment, so it is very probable we will prove to be a good fit.

 

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Hi there!

Mom and I have a existing metal pole barn with no foundation – just dirt. We need to convert it to a work room with a raised pier foundation inside a concrete ”curb”. So my question is, what do we use to insulate/separate the concrete from the side of the metal walls?
Thank you sooooo much! ANNIE and MOM in AUSTIN

Dear ANNIE and MOM: It sounds to me like your idea is to have an elevated wood floor inside your building. If this is the case, the floor can probably be constructed by the attachment of beams to the building columns and running joists in between them. The question will be what needs to be added to your building (if anything) to provide for structural adequacy.

As an alternative, you could pour concrete stem walls (curbs) between the sidewall columns and as needed inside the structure. This is going to entail far more expense as well as work. Stem walls along the perimeter should be able to be isolated from the wall steel by pouring against the pressure preservative treated skirt board (splash plank) at the base of the walls.

In either case, a Registered Design Professional (RDP – architect or engineer) should be hired to do a field analysis of your building to determine both the adequacy of your building as well as to design the solution for you.

 

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: How much does the platinum engineering package cost? DAN in VIRGINIA BEACH

DEAR DAN: The Hansen Pole Buildings Platinum Engineering Package includes adding elevation drawings (showing the siding) to the standard structural engineering package which is included with your investment in a new Hansen Pole Buildings complete post frame building kit. The extra investment is nominal and can be obtained for your specific building upon request to your Hansen Pole Buildings’ Designer.

 

 

Pole Barn Remodel: Bulldoze It?

I live in a 103 year old home most frequently referred to as, “Our Home of Perpetual Remodel”. Between this and my inherent Norwegian frugality, I’m usually the last one to recommend knocking something to the ground and starting from scratch again.

When I started working on “the house” back in 1990, the first order of the day was the garage. The 1930’s era structure was designed as a two car garage (the two cars being Model A’s). At 16 feet wide and 20 feet deep, there is no way I was going to be able to park two of anything other than motorcycles in it. It had simply outlived its practical lifespan.

Model A Pole Barn Remodel

old pole barnNow this existing garage had some interesting architectural features – in its 20 feet of depth, it had a dozen feet of grade change, so the structure was supported by eight cedar logs used as posts – yes, it was a pole building!

The replacement building (yes, of course a pole building) was designed as 22 feet wide and 24 feet deep, so it could be built around the old garage. The old garage was taken apart down to the parking floor level, so it could be used as scaffold for the new building. Once the new building shell was up, the remainder of the old garage was dropped through the middle.

Carried out as part of a major and well planned renovation scheme – remodeling, refurbishing or adding onto an existing building can most certainly have benefits for the occupants.

However, retrofitting existing pole buildings really only makes sense if:

• The underlying structure is sound.

• The impact on what we might call the ‘usability’ of the building is positive.

• The cost of the improvements to the building and maintenance over a realistic payback period of the retrofitting changes represents value for money. In other words, does the end result justify the cost of the improvements?

• The local economy provides income levels adequate to fund the purchase, refurbishment and retrofitting costs.

So is retrofitting the right option at all?

If the ongoing maintenance of a pole barn remodel requires higher levels of investment than a newly constructed pole barn then the answer is obvious: demolish and start again.

The cost of bringing older pole buildings up to modern standards and then maintaining them to the standard often exceeds their value.

It could be argued the truly green solution is to retain existing stock. This may be true by just comparing the one off economic and carbon impact of refurbishment with the one off cost of new build.  Looking at the total cost of a refurbishment project over its lifetime (including maintenance and eventual replacement) in both cash and carbon terms, the outcome can be very different.

Demolish or Retrofit?

Cost and benefit modeling should be used to compare the benefits of demolition and building new with the costs of maintenance of the retrofitted building over its useful life – and the cost of further refurbishment after 30 years or complete replacement.

Of course there are a range of intangible factors around the social consequences of clearance and demolition and the loss of normally less than aesthetically pleasing older pole buildings. But decisions need to be based on clear sighted logical processes. It may seem harsh, but in terms of some buildings… we do need to start again.

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