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Purlin Size Needed, Guidance on Insulation, and Doors and Windows with Kits

This week readers “ask the Guru” about purlins needed to rebuild a salvaged steel building in Iowa, some guidance on insulation due to potential moisture issues, if doors and windows are include in a Hansen Building Kit.

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: I am putting up a building using salvaged steel pillers and trusts. It originally had 2x6x14 purlins. The pillers are spaced every 14 feet. An engineer said I would need 2×12 to handle the load. That seems like overkill as the original building stood for 40 + years without issue. Roof is 4/12 pitch. I am in NW Iowa and I am building on the same area as the original. What is your opinion for trust size. Thank you. DENNIS in FOND

DEAR DENNIS: Your engineer is privy to far more information than I am as to your salvaged building and climactic loads. He or she also is a highly trained professional with at least four years of education and another three years working under direct supervision of a registered engineer. I am going to defer to your engineer (and I am not a registered design professional). If you truly feel something less should be adequate, discuss further with your engineer. It could be higher graded material would allow for a lesser dimension (but may not be less expensive).

 

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: I just had a new pole barn built and need further guidance on insulation, thermal barriers, etc. It is a 40x50x14 with 4/12 pitch scissor trusses. It is wrapped with the ThermaGuard radiant side facing out directly under the metal roof and walls. No ceiling planned as the bottom chords of the trusses are only 2/12 pitch. I live in the lower edge of the 4A climate zone (middle Tennessee) and live down in a hollow beside a creek where humidity stays pretty high. I’m concerned about moisture being trapped when I add more insulation and finish the inside since it already has a radiant moisture barrier facing out under the metal. What would be the best way to proceed? Polyiso board, XPS, or Rockwool under the inside, or something else and should I leave an air space in between or radiant barrier on the inside as well? Plan to cover the inside with part metal and the rest OSB or shiplap and will probably leave the roof as is with only more insulation added. Planning a loft across the back wall as well, but no heat or A/C planned as of now. Thank you for any advice on how to proceed. DAVID in BETHPAGE

DEAR DAVID: Welcome to a world where there is no joy, as insulation discussions are best had before construction begins.

Making some assumptions:
You do not want to tear out any of the reflective radiant barrier, you have vented eave overhangs, vented ridge and scissor trusses are designed to support a ceiling.
Install some sort of ceiling and either blow in fiberglass above it, or install Rockwool batts at ceiling level.
Walls add 2×4 bookshelf girts flush to inside of columns and install 7-1/4″ Rockwool batts. Do not leave an air space between batts and barrier.
Your walls will now dry to inside, so you may need to mechanically dehumidify, especially is you do not have an under slab vapor barrier.

 

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Are doors and windows included in the kits? KEVIN in BANDON

DEAR KEVIN: We typically provide all doors and windows to best meet your wants and needs. This assures you of a proper match between both building code and product fit requirements.

Adding Overhangs, Building Replacement, and Moving a Structure

Today the Pole Barn Guru assists with questions about adding an overhang to an existing structure, replacing two buildings on site, and moving an existing structure.

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Hi I just saw your blog posts on the web and wanted to ask you my barn has no overhang on the ends and when it rains it comes in under the garage door. Is it feasible to take the last run of roofing off and scab in about 3 ft of rafters and then cover that with more metal or fiberglass and put the trim on.   

The roof Peak is about 18 feet to the floor and the building is 30 by 60 thank you I have attached a picture. WAYNE

DEAR WAYNE: You should have this reviewed by a Registered Professional Engineer, prior to moving forward.

Remove rake trim and slide a 2x4x10 #2 in on top of trusses next to each existing purlin, until truss at eight feet in has been crossed. Carefully screw upwards through truss top chord at an angle into new purlin with two Simpson 9212 drive screws on each side of truss, making sure to not penetrate roof steel. Maximum you can overhang end truss will be two feet, so you should be able to attach a 2×6 fly rafter to ends of your now overhanging roof purlins. I would recommend you enclose overhang underside with some sort of soffit panel to keep flying critters from making homes in your new end overhang.

rebarDEAR POLE BARN GURU: I’m in the early stages of replacing two attached buildings. One building is a 2 car stick built garage, the other is an pole barn for a total size of 24×60 they are attached at the roof. Long story short needs existing vinyl siding/asphalt shingle roof replaced and a couple poles in the barn. Concrete slabs in both are in great shape, we want to bring fill in and raise the grade about a foot. Now my question. Should the existing slabs be demoed and left in place, can we just bring in stone fill and raise the grade and leave slabs intact? BARRY in OWENSBORO

DEAR BARRY: Unless you have a void underneath your existing slabs, you should be fine leaving them in place. Use sand or sandy gravel over the top of existing and place a vapor barrier over your fill (I recommend a 15mil plastic).

Although you did not ask, since you are doing potentially significant siding and roofing replacements, you might want to consider using roll formed steel as it will be most durable and cost effective.

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Had a 40 by 60 pole barn installed 6 years ago. Am taking it down and relocating to a new site. The main 6 by 6 treated posts (of course) had cylindrical blocks about 12 by 4 inches put in each hole, and back filled with dirt (no concrete to my knowledge)

Question: How would you reinstall the posts? Footings, same cylindrical blocks, dirt / concrete? ANDRE in OWOSSO

DEAR ANDRE: Those cylindrical blocks are known as cookies (https://www.hansenpolebuildings.com/2012/08/hurl-yourconcrete-cookies/) and are probably woefully inadequate.

Without knowing specifics of your soils conditions and loads, I (or better yet a Registered Professional Engineer) cannot make an informed recommendation as to required diameter, I would imagine a minimum of 24″ however. Holes should be dug to at least frost depth. An engineer would probably come up with a design solution similar to this: install an uplift plate along the lower edge of one side of the column (https://www.hansenpolebuildings.com/2018/12/uplift-plate/), suspend column in hole eight inches off the bottom and pour 18-22″ of premix concrete into bottom of hole and around base of column. Balance of hole should be filled with compactable material (compacted in maximum six inch lifts).