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Columns in Clay Soil, a Maintenance Facility, and Post Rot

This week readers “Ask the Guru” to answer questions about setting columns on clay soil that has been saturated, a quote request for a maintenance facility, and protecting posts from rot.

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Hello, I am building a pole barn for cattle in the north TX area ( primarily clay soil). I have augured my post holes and took a lot of time making sure I set the post square and plum. Unfortunately before the concrete truck couldn’t get to me the rain started and dint not stop. All of my post holes stayed full of water for about 1.5 weeks…. Since then I have pumped them out and we have had 2 weeks of high 90 degree days with full sun but the bottom of the holes are still muddy. My plan has been to let them dry out but I wonder if I need to pull the post, possibly auger out the mud and repack them. This option of starting all over gives me heart burn!!! My concern is that my post will sink and settle when I add the weight of concrete and all of the other building materials. I know you probably can’t say definitively but if you were in my shoes would you start all over or do you think it would be ok to just let them dry out and move on? Not sure if it matters but the post holes are 16″ in diameter and 52″ deep. Thanks for any advice! ANTHONY in SHERMAN

DEAR ANTHONY: You are now finding out why clay is problematic to build upon. In lieu of hiring a geotechnical engineer (highly recommended) to do an actual soils report and make recommendations, a general rule of thumb is for holes in clay soils to be dug to no less than six (6) times hole diameters. Not know what your spans are, but 16″ diameter seems very small.

 

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Do you provide quotes for a Maintenance Garage in Salem, Missouri? DANIEL in ST. LOUIS

DEAR DANIEL: Hansen Pole Buildings has provided hundreds of fully engineered, custom designed post frame buildings to our clients in Missouri. A member of our Design Team will be reaching out to you shortly or please email your building specifics, site address and best contact number to our Design Studio Manager Caleb@HansenPoleBuildings.com 1.866.200.9657 Thank you. https://www.hansenpolebuildings.com/2024/04/things-hansen-pole-buildings-does-better-than-any-other-post-frame-building-provider/

 

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: My GF lives in In Indonesia and as you know, they are moving the Capitol. Because of rising water levels. I saw some rubber ” boots” that are supposed to protect against rot from water. They also sell concrete for building a ” pier”. Any advice? She has family there and does not want to leave. MATHEW in RENO

DEAR MATHEW: Rot is actually not a direct function of water – you can completely submerge wood in water and it will last centuries. The required rot combination is dampness (20-30% moisture content), presence of wood-rotting fungi, oxygen and warm temperatures (65-95 F). Remove any of these and your challenge goes away. Assuming this is an existing structure, a wrap might be your best design solution. Here is an example (disclaimer, I have not personally used): https://www.postsaver.com/en-us/products/fence-deck-and-pergola-post-protection/

 

 

Pole Barn Comparisons

Differentiation- Pole Barn Comparisons

In today’s world savvy shoppers can go on the internet and fairly quickly track down the best buy on virtually any commodity item. Sometimes even pole barn comparisons.

According to the sum of all knowledge, Wikipedia:

“The term commodity is specifically used for an economic good or service when the demand for it has no qualitative differentiation across a market. In other words, a commodity good or service has full or partial but substantial fungibility; that is, the market treats its instances as equivalent or nearly so with no regard to who produced them. As the saying goes, “From the taste of wheat, it is not possible to tell who produced it, a Russian serf, a French peasant or an English capitalist.” Petroleum and copper are other examples of such commodity, their supply and demand being a part of one universal market. Items such as stereo systems, on the other hand, have many aspects of product differentiation, such as the brand, the user interface and the perceived quality. The demand for one type of stereo may be much larger than demand for another.”

If the same savvy shopper is on the ‘net searching for a new post frame (pole) building, and just looking at dimensions and basic features (doors as an example), it might be perceived pole barns are a commodity – and as such, be driven to the lowest price without concerns for things such as durability and functionality.

My position has always been one of, If you do something different than your competitor, you’ve shown to your customer you’re willing to help them. Maybe it’s at an extra cost, but it helps differentiate yourself from others. Too many times guys say, “Joe down the street (or across the span of the internet) isn’t going to do it so I’m not either”. By going the extra mile every business I have ever been in got more work and built happier relationships.

Prospective clients, just like you perhaps, always tune in to their favorite radio station – WII-FM (aka What’s In It For Me), so they are looking for the benefit, not the feature. It doesn’t matter if a building has gold plated steel, if the gold plating doesn’t afford a direct benefit to the end client.
And PRICE is a feature, not a benefit.

What might be some appealing benefits?

How about the ability to entirely customize a new post frame building with dimensions to best fit the available space and needs of the client? Without paying a premium price? Any width, any length, and height, any roof slope!

Hansen Buildings TaglineEvery building designed and plans wet stamped by a Registered Professional Engineer – the mark of a building which is structurally designed by a Registered Design Professional to be adequate (when constructed per the plans) to withstand a given set of loading criteria (wind, snow and seismic)?

 

Think post frame (pole) buildings are a commodity? If so, it would behoove you to look much closer.

Here are a few pieces of wisdom to consider:

“The Bitterness of Poor Quality remains Long after the Sweetness of Low Price is Forgotten”.

“Good equipment ain’t cheap, and cheap equipment ain’t good.”

“The most expensive suit is the one you only wear once.”

“Pay lots, cry once. Pay little, cry twice.”

“It is unwise to pay too much, but it is worse to pay too little. When you pay too much, you lose a little money … that is all. When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything, because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the things it was bought to do.

And my favorite……

The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot … it cannot be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well to add something for the risk you run. And if you do that, you will have enough to pay for something better.” ~ John Ruskin

In order to do a fair comparison, and know if you are comparing “like items”, ask the pole barn companies you get quotes from to do a post frame building quote comparison to the other quotes you have. A company worth their salt will not only tell you what they do better, but will honestly tell you what the opposing company’s benefits are over theirs.