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Purlin Size Needed, Guidance on Insulation, and Doors and Windows with Kits

This week readers “ask the Guru” about purlins needed to rebuild a salvaged steel building in Iowa, some guidance on insulation due to potential moisture issues, if doors and windows are include in a Hansen Building Kit.

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: I am putting up a building using salvaged steel pillers and trusts. It originally had 2x6x14 purlins. The pillers are spaced every 14 feet. An engineer said I would need 2×12 to handle the load. That seems like overkill as the original building stood for 40 + years without issue. Roof is 4/12 pitch. I am in NW Iowa and I am building on the same area as the original. What is your opinion for trust size. Thank you. DENNIS in FOND

DEAR DENNIS: Your engineer is privy to far more information than I am as to your salvaged building and climactic loads. He or she also is a highly trained professional with at least four years of education and another three years working under direct supervision of a registered engineer. I am going to defer to your engineer (and I am not a registered design professional). If you truly feel something less should be adequate, discuss further with your engineer. It could be higher graded material would allow for a lesser dimension (but may not be less expensive).

 

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: I just had a new pole barn built and need further guidance on insulation, thermal barriers, etc. It is a 40x50x14 with 4/12 pitch scissor trusses. It is wrapped with the ThermaGuard radiant side facing out directly under the metal roof and walls. No ceiling planned as the bottom chords of the trusses are only 2/12 pitch. I live in the lower edge of the 4A climate zone (middle Tennessee) and live down in a hollow beside a creek where humidity stays pretty high. I’m concerned about moisture being trapped when I add more insulation and finish the inside since it already has a radiant moisture barrier facing out under the metal. What would be the best way to proceed? Polyiso board, XPS, or Rockwool under the inside, or something else and should I leave an air space in between or radiant barrier on the inside as well? Plan to cover the inside with part metal and the rest OSB or shiplap and will probably leave the roof as is with only more insulation added. Planning a loft across the back wall as well, but no heat or A/C planned as of now. Thank you for any advice on how to proceed. DAVID in BETHPAGE

DEAR DAVID: Welcome to a world where there is no joy, as insulation discussions are best had before construction begins.

Making some assumptions:
You do not want to tear out any of the reflective radiant barrier, you have vented eave overhangs, vented ridge and scissor trusses are designed to support a ceiling.
Install some sort of ceiling and either blow in fiberglass above it, or install Rockwool batts at ceiling level.
Walls add 2×4 bookshelf girts flush to inside of columns and install 7-1/4″ Rockwool batts. Do not leave an air space between batts and barrier.
Your walls will now dry to inside, so you may need to mechanically dehumidify, especially is you do not have an under slab vapor barrier.

 

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Are doors and windows included in the kits? KEVIN in BANDON

DEAR KEVIN: We typically provide all doors and windows to best meet your wants and needs. This assures you of a proper match between both building code and product fit requirements.

Slab Insulation, Vapor Barriers, and Sliding Doors

Today’s PBG addresses slab insulation, vapor barriers and sliding doors at an entry.

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: I am starting a project finishing a Hansen pole barn in a suburb of Minneapolis. My question is in regard to the floor. I assume there was no insulation under the slab, I have yet to confirm this, so how do I insulate after the fact? Are sleepers my only option?

Thank you for your time. CHRIS in MINNEAPOLIS

DEAR CHRIS: Whether before pouring slab or after, I’d go with a Frost-Protected Shallow Foundation https://www.hansenpolebuildings.com/2016/11/frost-protected-shallow-foundations/.

 

DEAR POLE BARN GURU: Contractors installed vapor barrier on the roof but not walls. What is the best way to install a vapor barrier now that the metal siding is up? JASON in ROCKVILLE

DEAR JASON: I usually recommend using a Weather Resistant Barrier between siding and wall framing (https://www.hansenpolebuildings.com/2016/01/determining-the-most-effective-building-weather-resistant-barrier-part-1/). Given where you are now – if chances of climate controlling your building are small, you can spray two or more inches of closed cell foam insulation. If you intend to heat you can entirely fill insulation cavity with unfaced fiberglass and then put clear visqueen on interior as a vapor barrier.

 

Dear Pole Barn Guru: I’m in the process of putting up a shop at my house. The front has a 20×12 opening and was planned to have sliding wood doors as the front will be bricked to match my house. Can you give me tips on how to effectively anchor this and will I need a backup door on the inside to seal out the elements? I don’t want big gaps so that animals and critters can easily make their way in. The building is in the middle of a bean field and it will have spray foam insulation. Thanks for the help! MICHAEL

DEAR MICHAEL: Sliding doors are not going to seal anywhere near air tight. How about going with an insulated carriage house style overhead door? It will give you a great look and be functional. Hansen Pole Buildings can provide a broad variety of carriage house doors with our complete post frame building packages. http://www.amarr.com/residential/garage_doors/carriage_house