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One More Reason to Love DIYers

DIY – Do It Yourself.

Frankly, 99+ % of you DIYers are absolutely the greatest people on the planet. You are fun to work with, you follow directions and take pride in your own job very well done. I have serious man-crushes on many of you (I love you for your brains, not your bodies)!

Not everyone has the time or ability to do their own work. I totally “get it” as I hire work to be done for our household, as I just do not have the time to do it myself.

Here is a snippet of a recent interaction between myself and a client who has hired a builder. Builder might have missed some crucial parts of the Hansen Pole Buildings’ Construction Manual…..

“Hello Hansen Associates,

My builder is here working on the building and he tells me the L trim is short.

I am sending this email to let you know that the AL-2 , 1 1/2″ x 3 1/2″ L Trim order is short.  The take off list listed 6 -10′ 6″  which calculates to 63 feet.

However, the building is 34′ each side which I should have received at a minimum 68′.

enclosed overhangsThe building is 24 x 32 with 1 foot overhangs on the front, right side and rear wall, with a 4′ cantilever on the left sidewall.

Would you kindly send another piece of L trim in White ? Thank You for your assistance.”

I believe I was generally able to craft a fairly tactful response, as there really is no cause to get a client railing against a builder who may otherwise have been doing a wonderful job:

Dear Mr. Xxxxx;
If you could please have your builder confirm the trim has been used in the proper location. These trims are for the lower edge of the varge rafters. Therefore, it takes as much footage of them as you have roof steel.

2 ends X (13’8.5″ + 16’10.5″) = 61.12′ <= 63′ sent.

Our concern is perhaps the builder has inadvertently placed them somewhere we did not anticipate. Perhaps a photo or two showing where he has placed them would prove helpful.

Surprisingly enough, we received this response from our client:

You are correct the builder used the L trim as the starting strip for the roofing deck at the fascia, which he used to attach the inside closure strip under the roof panels.”

 Most interesting, there is nowhere in the 500 plus pages of the Hansen Pole Buildings installation instructions which would show this installation as done by the builder. In fact, as best as we can recall, this is the first time we have had a client (or their builder) make this error.

Varge Trim on 4 & 8 Buildings

Thin Hair and a Flat Forehead

In my most recent past life (a.k.a the 1990’s) I was a post frame (pole) building contractor based in Spokane, Washington. At one time we had as many as 35 crews constructing buildings in six states. Even though I jokingly tell people this is why my hair is thin and my forehead is flat, we did have some seriously good subcontract erection crews.

Similar to the old 80/20 rule adage, 10% of the crews made 90% of the mistakes. It wasn’t them being bad people, and they did generally care – they would spend all day trying to correct (or making worse) a problem with a few minute fix.

In past years when our clients would call for Technical Support they would say things like, “You won’t believe what I have done. It is the worst problem ever. I am sure you have never heard of this one.”

I’d frankly explain my construction history and let them know, if a mistake could possibly have been made, one of my crews did it. Now let’s solve your problem.

I have yet to meet a challenge which did not have a solution, and often a remarkably simple one.

I will readily admit what we refer to as four and eight buildings (single trusses every four feet, sidewall columns every eight feet) have never been my favorites. Other than some structural challenges to make them work, they are relatively simplistic. However they also have some limitations not found where trusses bear directly upon the columns.

In today’s Technical Support lesson:

From the client:

Varge Rafter Trim“I have not installed the rake /corner trim on the gable ends yet, but I did try a dry fit.  My initial impression is that the lower varge “L” trim is too narrow for the rake/corner trim to cover properly.  It MIGHT, at best cover by a 1/4 inch but the stitch screw will not catch both the rake/corner trim and lower varge rafter trim. See attached picture.

If I had followed the drawing regarding the siding nailers/soffit support for the end rafter it would have been in the wrong place.  Because I have the single truss system the end rafter is not dropped 5 1/2 inches for the purlins to go over the top for the varge rafter.  Therefore the nailer/soffit support had to be dropped several inches to provide a level mounting of the soffit.” 

And the sad answer:

“Detail 9/S-4 of your plans shows the purlins laying flat over the top of the end truss, and butting into the inside of the varge rafter. The plans do not suggest the end truss be lowered at all. Had the varge rafter been properly placed, the soffit support would have been perfectly located and the lower varge/rake trims would have fit as anticipated.”

All of the trims were designed to cover the 2×6 varge rafter and the edge of the soffit. Adding in another 1-1/2” for the thickness of the roof purlins over the top stretches things.

In the end, nothing which can’t be covered, it is what trim is for!