Participating in Rick’s Post Frame Cabin Planning

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Participating in Rick’s Post Frame Cabin Planning

Happy readers have been following Hansen Pole Buildings’ Designer Rick’s journey towards constructing a new cabin. Rick has graciously asked me to jump in with sage advice (yep, Rick and I are both old guys), as well as answering some questions he has posed.

Rick mentions using a vapor barrier under his thin concrete slab. This should be a minimum 10 mil with 15 mil being even better in resistance to possible tears prior to floor being poured.  (https://www.hansenpolebuildings.com/2017/11/vapor-barriers-slabs-grades/)

I’d believe Rick’s cabin floor could be insulated with closed cell spray foam two inches thick, providing approximately R-14. Any wiring or plumbing extending through sub-flooring could be routed directly vertical through foam and this should not pose a challenge of access for any future system modifications.

As only incidental heat will be provided into crawl space areas, using rigid foam insulation boards beneath a thin concrete slab might very well prove to be an undue expense.

Rick’s sub-slab insulation boards (if used) and approximately two inches of concrete will not pose any design issues when used with a 2×8 pressure preservative treated splash plank. With top of floor OSB three feet above grade, a clear height in crawl space of two feet will exist under the floor joists. A row of stub columns at building center will carry beams designed to support joists. Given relatively small floor joist and beam spans, there would be 20 inches or more between concrete and the bottom of beams.

A consideration for wall insulation might be to use a flash coating of two inches of closed cell foam against siding, then fill remainder of wall cavity with BIBs. This would eliminate a need for a Weather Resistant Barrier beneath siding and would provide as much as R-35 insulating value. If looking to super insulate and eliminate any thermal bridging, two inches of insulation board could be glued to inside of framing, further increasing R value.

So far, I am liking Rick’s plan of attack and look forward to reading more along his path to his best possible design solution.

2 thoughts on “Participating in Rick’s Post Frame Cabin Planning

  1. Dan Lindberg

    I’ve been reading this with interest as we built a cabin with a “crawl” space, and now what to make some changes.

    Ours is a bit different in that we have a complete perimeter foundation (7 courses) , no insulation on the block walls and just fill against the inside of the walls. This was built 35 years ago when foundation vents were the norm.

    With the vents we had/have mold. It’s way too moist down there.
    My plan is to seal it and make it conditioned space.
    But there is little room in it do do anything.

    So, from my experience;
    the rat slab – yes, absolutely
    the height – enough so you can sit on a low stool and roll around the floor – 4 ft maybe?
    insulated walls to seal it from outside – yes, absolutely, BUT make sure you condition the space or you likely will get mold.

    also, provide easy access to the space, we currently have a small trap door. 🙁

    Good Luck,
    Dan

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  2. Rick Carr

    Thanks Dan, All good advice and all in my plan. As my Dad used to say, it is a smart man that learns from experience and a smarter man that learns from the experience of others. Rick

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