Ask the Guru: Is Vapor Barrier Required?

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DEAR POLE BARN GURU:  Finishing & insulating inside pole barn that was here when purchased last year. What are your thoughts on vapor barriers for ceiling between the metal and insulation?

Also in quandary over no over hangs for soffit vents it’s a Mo**on with the gable ends venting where trim meets the ribbed siding, snow blows inside currently and not sure if after I have it closed in it will still do so and get insulation wet (fiberglass). Thanks BLOWING IN, IN OHIO

 

DEAR BLOWING: It is essential to have a vapor barrier between the roof steel and any conditioned area below. In the event there is not a vapor barrier between the roof purlins and the roof steel, there are some options. The best choice, is also the most work.  Remove the roof steel, install a reflective insulation on top of the purlins and reinstall the roof steel, using larger diameter, longer screws than what originally held it in place. Spray foam insulation could be placed on the underside of the roof steel (may be cost prohibitive), or reflective insulation could be installed under the roof purlins, as long as all of the seams are tightly sealed.

Assuming you are placing the fiberglass insulation at ceiling level, there should not be a vapor barrier below it. You want any warm moist air from inside the building to be able to rise into the dead attic space, which must be adequately vented. Venting can be accomplished by a combination of sidewall eave vents and a vented ridge, or by gable endwall vents.

 If snow is coming in under the gable end/rake trim, the screws can be removed from the gable face of the trim, expanding closures can be placed along the edge of where the trim lies, and then reinstall the trim using metal-to-metal stitch screws. The expanding closures should be placed so the lower edge of the closure is just covered by the trim.

 In any case, you want to be certain any fiberglass insulation will not get damp, as it will lose its effectiveness, as well as possibly contributing to decay of any wood members it is in contact with.

6 thoughts on “Ask the Guru: Is Vapor Barrier Required?

    1. polebarnguru Post author

      Greg ~

      Thank you for your question. I’ve never addressed fanfold insulation as a blog topic, because I do not see it as a viable or practical answer to preventing condensation issues from steel roofing. I will be writing an article on it soon.

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  1. Scott

    Hi pole barn guru, I really enjoy reading these blogs but I have a question about the above post regarding a vapor barrier.

    Currently I have a 30×32 pole barn with a vapor barrier installed between the steel roofing and purlins which seems to be a must to prevent a wet roof. The problem I am running into is finding out if I need a vapor barrier for my ceiling. I plan to install sheet steel to the bottom of the trusses and then blow in fiberglass insulation on top of the steel. In the above blog you mention that a vapor barrier is not needed so that the moist air can escape. This makes sense to me, but others keep saying I should install a vapor barrier between the sheet steel and insulation. Can you give me a definitive answer to this? Oh, Also I live in Michigan and plan to heat the building occasionally during the winter months.

    Thanks Scott,

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    1. polebarnguru Post author

      Scott ~ Thank you greatly for your kind words and for being a loyal reader. The purpose of an insulated vapor barrier is to prevent warm moist air from rising and coming in contact with a cooler surface above, where condensation could occur. Although the steel ceiling is rather impervious (other than any unintended gaps at overlaps or edges) there does exist the possibility of some quantity of warm moist air escaping into the attic area. A vapor barrier immediately above the steel ceiling, would tend to trap any of this moisture on top of the steel ceiling – which could eventually lead to deterioration issues (keep in mind most steel liner panels have a very limited galvanization coating, under very little paint).

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      1. James Hofer

        built pole building installed thermax sheathing on outside wall under tin 1/2 polyicocyanurate installed 8 inch batt insulation in wall do I need vapor barrier on inside been told outside sheathing vapor barrior thinking of installing certainteed membrain vapor barrier wich is breathable looking for answers been told I would have two barriers wich traps moisture

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        1. admin Post author

          As long as you adequately seal all of the air leakage pathways you would not need an interior vapor barrier.

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