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How to Avoid a Disastrous DIY Pole Barn Project

How to Avoid a Disastrous DIY Pole Barn Project

I’d like to thank Bret Buelo of Wick Buildings for the basis of this article, which appeared on the Wick Buildings website (www.wickbuildings.com) August 12, 2016. Information from Bret’s article appears here in italics along with my own input as well. Wick Buildings is highly rated by the Better Business Bureau and has been an NFBA (National Frame Building Association www.nfba.org) member for decades.

Please keep in mind, Wick Buildings is in the business of constructing post frame buildings – we are in the business of saving people money who want to do some or all of their own work.

post-frame-buildingPart of the fun of any DIY project is learning new skills to complete a project. However, there is a point where you venture too far into the unknown and begin to cost yourself time, money and perhaps even your own personal safety.

If you’re a DIYer with lots of time on your hands and potentially cash to burn, by all means, you can take a shot at any pole barn project. But if you’re on a budget and time is of the essence, there are tipping points when you can find yourself in over your head.  Many pole barn jobs can get extremely complicated, and if you’re not careful, can lead to some significant mistakes.

We reached out to Gordon Sebranek, who manages the Engineering Department at Wick Buildings, for some insights. Following are nine potential pitfalls he outlined to help you decide if you’ve bitten off more than you can chew on your pole barn project.  Be sure to listen to his audio interview for details beyond the post below.

  1. Pole Barn Too Big

Gordon says a good cutoff point for a DIY-worthy project is anything over 10 feet tall and 45 feet wide. Anything larger requires a bigger crew, special equipment, and as you’ll see below, some tricks of the trade.

Guru comments: I’ve seen DIYers successfully construct buildings with eave heights over 20 feet tall and clearspans of 70 feet. Frankly, the average Do It Yourselfer (DIYer) usually ends up with a far nicer building than if they had hired a contractor to do the work for them.

  1. Crew Size Too Small

A typical pole barn project needs at least three people. Four is even better. Lots of things are doable with two people, but there are some tasks that simply require more bodies.

Gordon refers to setting trusses as an example. “You need one guy at the end to guide it, someone to run the skid steers, and someone on the roof, running purlins to brace the truss,” he said.

Guru comments: It wasn’t too many years ago one of our clients constructed a horse riding arena with an attached shed row for stalls of over 10,000 square feet. He did all of the work by himself other than hiring one person to give him an assist with the roof steel and to hire a crane to place the 66 foot span roof trusses.

As a former post frame builder – most of our crews were two persons only.

I know of one post frame builder, Jim Davis, who almost always worked by himself. He was able to do clearspans of up to 40 feet, without the need for another body.

  1. Trades Too Tough to Learn

You can watch a YouTube about how to complete a specific construction task, but there are some construction jobs that flat-out require talent.  “I can hang sheetrock,” Gordon notes, “but I can’t tape joints to make it look professional.”

Smoothing drywall compound requires a deft touch, and many of the following trades have areas that require both experience and talent. Gordon recommends sub-contracting for:

  • Concrete
  • Electrical
  • Plumbing
  • Insulation

Guru comments: I would agree with at least the top three of this list – and on number four (the insulation), installers typically get discounts on insulation from the manufacturer which make it possible for them to install for about the same price as the average person would pay for the materials.

Come back tomorrow folks, for part two in a three part series for words of wisdom from not one but two, leaders in the pole barn industry.

When Pole Barns Under Construction Collapse

From a December 6 story by Oxford Hills Sun Journal report Mellisa Seamans:

photo 4OSSIPEE, NH — “As much as I hate to come to the Commissioners with bad news, the cat’s already out of the bag. We had a problem with the pole barn. It went over on us this weekend. I don’t exactly know what went wrong,” said Carroll County Farm Manager Will DeWitte told Carroll County Commissioners at their Nov. 28 meeting.

He suggested high winds were to blame for the collapse and that perhaps a microburst came through and knocked it over. “We knew the wind was strong out there, but didn’t know it was that strong,” said DeWitte, calling the Nov. 24 pole barn collapse a “small setback for now.” As reported last week, insurance adjusters were set to visit the site but as of press time this week there was no word on their findings.

DeWitte told commissioners on Nov. 28 that the town’s building inspector came out while the building of the 30-foot by 120-foot pole barn, being constructed to store firewood, was in process. “He seemed to think it was very strong…He was shocked it went down,” said DeWitte. The plan, as of Nov. 28, was to clean up the collapse and salvage as many of the building materials as possible before it gets covered in snow and then store the material until next spring when the barn will be rebuilt. DeWitte said the building inspector has been “very helpful” and has given a lot of good suggestions about extra things that can be done to help it stand up to the wind next time. “We’re not out a lot of money, about either side of $15,000 in total,” he said.

Without being able to personally do a forensic review of the collapsed building, I can only surmise as to what caused its ultimate downfall. From experience, a pole building is at its greatest risk when it is completely framed up and before it is sided and roofed.

The siding and roofing (or “skin”) of a post frame building is what provides the rigidity necessary to keep a building standing. Think of the same principles as what keeps a uni-body car on the road, or a jet aircraft in the air.

Back in the late ‘80’s, I was involved in a similar experience.

Just prior to the Thanksgiving Holiday, one of my crews had just finished framing on an 80’ x 204’ riding arena for a client in Molalla, Oregon. When they came in to the office, prior to the holiday weekend, I even made it a point of asking if they had everything all braced up and secure. This was a very experienced crew, so I had no reason to believe they had not done a thorough job.

Over the weekend, 70 mph plus winds hit the area….it turns out one of the building columns had a “timber break” in it, which was not detectible from the outside. Under the high winds, this column snapped – sending the rest of the building to the ground. All we could do, the following Monday morning, was to dig a huge trench at the back end of the building and bulldoze the shattered remains into the ditch.

Moral of the story – once you start framing, move forward quickly to get the “skin” on the building as quickly as possible, to prevent catastrophic collapses.